Making money and Emily Brewin on phone calls in cubicles, validation and holding your book in your hand.

This week Kate and Katherine talk about how to make money. Katherine has some inspired ideas. Kate is not an entrepreneur. Together they try and make it work. Then Katherine speaks to Melbourne writer, Emily Brewin, about hard work, writing routines and THAT phone call.

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