How Mommy Bloggers Started a Cult Without Even Knowing It
Oct 05, 2023, 05:00 PM
Is it possible that in seeking help, one could inadvertently be led into a cult-like grip? A recent episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers" with host Tony Brueski and psychotherapist Shavaun Scott delves deep into such a case surrounding Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt. The revelations that emerge from their discussion underscore the crucial need for vigilance in the therapeutic community.
According to the dialogue, it appears Hildebrandt might have been practicing what some referred to as a cult-like form of therapy. The burning question: "Does anybody realize they're starting a cult when they're starting a cult?" is one that Shavaun Scott tackled head-on. "I do think it's the person... that is the focus or the genesis of something like that... a person who always is seeking power," Scott explains, identifying profound narcissism and sociopathic tendencies as key indicators.
Hildebrandt, whose practices are under scrutiny, reportedly made untraditional and potentially damaging diagnoses. Tony Brueski recounted how couples who approached her for marriage counseling got something entirely different. "A lot of separating people, a lot of diagnosing men with porn addictions when there wasn't one," he said, emphasizing the lack of recognition of such a diagnosis in the DSM 5, a standard classification of mental disorders.
Scott expressed her dismay at the revelation. "That is really what makes this a cult because she was making up her belief system as she went," Scott said. Her concern is palpable, as she mentions the "toxic craziness" that many might have been exposed to under Hildebrandt’s guidance. The horrifying truth, according to Scott, is the legitimacy that came with Hildebrandt's clinical license, which led people to trust her expertise, only to be led astray.
A pressing concern arises: how did Hildebrandt's practices go unnoticed for so long? Scott elaborates on the licensing procedures, which differ from state to state. "Usually, once a person is licensed, there's probably not a lot, if any oversight going on, unless there are complaints," she detailed. The primary role of licensing boards is to protect consumers, and they are obligated to investigate any complaints about licensed professionals rigorously. In Hildebrandt’s case, however, Scott questions the oversight and wonders whether the investigations were as thorough as they ought to have been.
Given the gravity of the charges against Hildebrandt and the harm caused to countless individuals seeking help, the need for more rigorous checks and greater transparency becomes clear. Trust is a foundational pillar in the therapeutic relationship. It's crucial for patients to know that when they reach out for assistance, they are in safe hands, guided by genuine expertise.
As the story unfolds and more people come forward with their experiences, there is hope for change. Scott passionately articulates this hope: "Lessons learned by the licensing board here." Yet, one can't help but wonder how many have been deeply affected by the dubious practices, and what it will take to ensure such situations are detected and addressed promptly in the future.
In a world where the lines between genuine care and manipulation can sometimes blur, how do we ensure that those seeking help aren't led astray?
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According to the dialogue, it appears Hildebrandt might have been practicing what some referred to as a cult-like form of therapy. The burning question: "Does anybody realize they're starting a cult when they're starting a cult?" is one that Shavaun Scott tackled head-on. "I do think it's the person... that is the focus or the genesis of something like that... a person who always is seeking power," Scott explains, identifying profound narcissism and sociopathic tendencies as key indicators.
Hildebrandt, whose practices are under scrutiny, reportedly made untraditional and potentially damaging diagnoses. Tony Brueski recounted how couples who approached her for marriage counseling got something entirely different. "A lot of separating people, a lot of diagnosing men with porn addictions when there wasn't one," he said, emphasizing the lack of recognition of such a diagnosis in the DSM 5, a standard classification of mental disorders.
Scott expressed her dismay at the revelation. "That is really what makes this a cult because she was making up her belief system as she went," Scott said. Her concern is palpable, as she mentions the "toxic craziness" that many might have been exposed to under Hildebrandt’s guidance. The horrifying truth, according to Scott, is the legitimacy that came with Hildebrandt's clinical license, which led people to trust her expertise, only to be led astray.
A pressing concern arises: how did Hildebrandt's practices go unnoticed for so long? Scott elaborates on the licensing procedures, which differ from state to state. "Usually, once a person is licensed, there's probably not a lot, if any oversight going on, unless there are complaints," she detailed. The primary role of licensing boards is to protect consumers, and they are obligated to investigate any complaints about licensed professionals rigorously. In Hildebrandt’s case, however, Scott questions the oversight and wonders whether the investigations were as thorough as they ought to have been.
Given the gravity of the charges against Hildebrandt and the harm caused to countless individuals seeking help, the need for more rigorous checks and greater transparency becomes clear. Trust is a foundational pillar in the therapeutic relationship. It's crucial for patients to know that when they reach out for assistance, they are in safe hands, guided by genuine expertise.
As the story unfolds and more people come forward with their experiences, there is hope for change. Scott passionately articulates this hope: "Lessons learned by the licensing board here." Yet, one can't help but wonder how many have been deeply affected by the dubious practices, and what it will take to ensure such situations are detected and addressed promptly in the future.
In a world where the lines between genuine care and manipulation can sometimes blur, how do we ensure that those seeking help aren't led astray?
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The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com