Bob Motta on Kouri Richins Defense Wins & Colin Gray Closing Arguments

Two trials reaching critical moments. Defense attorney Bob Motta joins Tony Brueski and Robin Dreeke on Hidden Killers Live for extended analysis of the Kouri Richins murder case and the Colin Gray school shooting trial.

In Utah, the defense hasn't called a witness yet—and may have already won. Cross-examination exposed that the medical examiner still won't call Eric Richins' death a homicide. Carmen Lauber admitted a detective told her "the goal is to convict Kouri for aggravated murder." Hair follicle tests that could have determined if Eric was a chronic fentanyl user were never performed. The copperware allegedly used for the Moscow Mules was never tested. The kitchen wasn't searched the night Eric died.

The prosecution's drug witnesses are contradicting each other. Robert Crozier says he sold oxycodone because "everybody was scared of fentanyl." Lauber says she got fentanyl. The toxicology showed no oxycodone in Eric's system—only fentanyl. If Carmen provided oxy but Eric died of fentanyl, where did the fatal dose come from?

In Georgia, closing arguments are happening in the Colin Gray case. He took the stand as his only witness—and his family contradicted nearly everything he said. His daughter testified he asked her to "cover for him." His wife said she begged him to lock up the guns. Text messages showed Colt warning "the blood is on your hands" weeks before Apalachee High School.

The morning timeline is damning: Colt's 9:42 a.m. apology text. Colin asking what's wrong but not calling the school. First shots at 10:22 a.m. Colin stopping at QuikTrip instead of racing to the scene.

Robin Dreeke brings FBI behavioral expertise. Bob Motta delivers defense strategy analysis. Both cases. Both verdicts. Everything you need to understand what happens next.

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